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Assault Rifle Carriers at Obama Rally CNN report

This is not crazy that people can freely carry assault weapons in the USA. This is bad enough but in the close vicinity with firearms to the President?

In 1975 Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme went to prison for attempting to fire a pistol with no bullet in the chamber a President Ford in California. She spent 25 years in jail. But if that was in Arizona and the fact she did not discharge the weapon would that have been deemed acceptable if the weapon had not been concealed? Do people not think this is insane and a gross abuse of the law apart from anything else?

I saw a short documentary last night about a gun range in a state with loose gun laws when tens of thousands of people turn up to a gun festival to fire anything up to a tank and flamethrowers etc and is a celebration of lets blow the hell out of something. When I see things like that I can understand how enough of the US population can find was acceptable enough that you end up with the situation where the US military have killed more foreign nationals than any nation since the second world war even though no nation has attacked US soil. This gun toting behavior is not normal and society should be strong enough to say no to this behavior.

Also it is a very crude way that Obama protesters can divert news attention away from the support being offered the president and healthcare reform at the event and makes everyone talk about this issue as well as the Obama opposition.

Here’s a simple truth. Gun control works. In Scotland 14 years ago a man with legal pistols went into a school and murdered young school kids. For the UK a very rare instance to begin with. From then all firearms were banned other than shotguns as farmers use them mainly. Since then we have had no such incident. You get the occasional gun related shooting between gangs but that is so low that other than some mobile armed police units our police still don’t have to carry guns. No-one fears gun totting criminals breaking into our houses in the UK. That’s so rare you’re better off fearing the bogeyman.

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65 thoughts on “Assault Rifle Carriers at Obama Rally CNN report

  1. Tim H

    I agree with your statements. You talk about the gun festival and I will give you one more thing to think about, last year a child firing a machine gun could not control the weapon and ended up shooting himself in the head.

  2. steve Post author

    Hi Tim

    It’s crazy isn’t it? At the gun festival an 11 year old was shooting a massive mounted machine gun. I certainly would rather see my kids getting their kicks from something less insane.

  3. John

    I don’t believe gun control works. The UK bans guns and still is “the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America”, according to the Telegraph. (Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html) If gun control works so well, why is violent crime far higher in the UK than in the US?

    There will be violence with or without guns. Criminals will get guns whether they’re illegal or not. After all, last time I checked, marijuana was illegal in the UK but it’s not hard to get that. The only difference is that citizens are able to defend themselves.

    Take this for example. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=6941778 – In this article, a man is mobbed by three assailants who start to viciously beat him. Without a gun, there was no way he would have been able to fight back. He would just need to sit there and take his beating.

    People should have the ability to defend themselves. In fact, it’s been statistically proven that more gun ownership equals less crime. Just look up the book “More Guns, Less Crime” and read all about it.

    It makes sense… if you’re a criminal, and you’re going out to commit a crime, are you more likely to do it if you know 0% of the population has guns or if 50% of the population has a gun?

    A population without guns is EASY picking for criminals.

  4. steve Post author

    Hi John

    Thanks for taking the time to respond.

    First, the Daily Telegraph you quoted is a biased newspaper towards the Conservative Party the opposition to the government here and most of the newspapers in the UK are a joke (like the cable news networks in the US) and will manipulate a story any way they want. Here is what is regarded as a more balanced paper (IE: critical of all political angles http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/16/crime-figures-recession-impact Murder rate at lowest for 20 years is the headline. And the total murder rate is a fifteenth of the US gun murder rate.

    Did you notice a subtle thing they did in that article you quoted?

    It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
    Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
    By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.
    France recorded 324,765 violent crimes in 2007 – a 67 per cent increase in the past decade – at a rate of 504 per 100,000 population.

    Did you notice how for the UK they quote the total of crimes and for the US only violent crimes? A standard journalistic slight of hand that I can appreciate that you failed to notice it.

    My father is 71 years old and has in his life never heard a firearm discharged in anger whereas I used to hear a clip being unloaded somewhere on the streets every week living in Echo Park in LA. I know lots of people in the US scared to go to parts of their town or out at night in a way unknown in most places in Europe. I’ve lived in both places so can see the difference. (though fear is endemic in US society, just look at the differences in reactions to terrorism (which I’ve experienced first hand). I also know lots of people mugged or robbed etc in the states but very infrequently in the UK. Though the stats in the US should be lower as you have far more of your population in prison than any free nation on earth.

    Also the murder rates are highest in the States that have more open gun laws, mainly Southern states that also have the death penalty. States with no death penalty tend to have lower murder rates. And violent crime in LA and NY are two of the three lowest, stats wise in the US now even though they have stricter gun laws than most other areas in the US.

    Every suicidal gun rampage that takes place and traumatizes entire schools or colleges of children beyond the families destroyed by it are perpetrated by legal gun ownership. Now provide me the stats on how few crimes were prevented by gun ownership?

    Here are some gun murder stats below by country. Oops 9,369 in USA 14 in UK. Now obviously the US is a bigger country so adjusting the per capita up for the UK it would be about 70, less than 100 times that of USA.

    Your accidental death by gun rate is higher than the total murder rate in the UK.

    Now gun ownership in Canada is reasonably high but for sport not protection (as Canadians are not fearful the way folks are in the US as the media is more balanced) and the gun death rate is a lot lower.

    Below are the gun murder rates (not including accidental or suicide)

    Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 South Africa: 31,918
    # 2 Colombia: 21,898
    # 3 Thailand: 20,032
    # 4 United States: 9,369
    # 5 Philippines: 7,708
    # 6 Mexico: 2,606
    # 7 Slovakia: 2,356
    # 8 El Salvador: 1,441
    # 9 Zimbabwe: 598
    # 10 Peru: 442
    # 11 Germany: 269
    # 12 Czech Republic: 181
    # 13 Ukraine: 173
    # 14 Canada: 144
    # 15 Albania: 135
    # 16 Costa Rica: 131
    # 17 Azerbaijan: 120
    # 18 Poland: 111
    # 19 Uruguay: 109
    # 20 Spain: 97
    # 21 Portugal: 90
    # 22 Croatia: 76
    # 23 Switzerland: 68
    # 24 Bulgaria: 63
    # 25 Australia: 59
    # 26 Sweden: 58
    # 27 Bolivia: 52
    # 28 Japan: 47
    # 29 Slovenia: 39
    = 30 Hungary: 38
    = 30 Belarus: 38
    # 32 Latvia: 28
    # 33 Burma: 27
    # 34 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 26
    # 35 Austria: 25
    # 36 Estonia: 21
    # 37 Moldova: 20
    # 38 Lithuania: 16
    = 39 United Kingdom: 14
    = 39 Denmark: 14
    # 41 Ireland: 12
    # 42 New Zealand: 10
    # 43 Chile: 9
    # 44 Cyprus: 4
    # 45 Morocco: 1
    = 46 Iceland: 0
    = 46 Luxembourg: 0
    = 46 Oman: 0
    Total: 100,693
    Weighted average: 2,097.8

    Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people
    # 2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people
    # 3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people
    # 4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people
    # 5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people
    # 6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people
    # 7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people
    # 8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
    # 9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people
    # 10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people
    # 11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people
    # 12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people
    # 13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people
    # 14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people
    # 15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 people
    # 16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people
    # 17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people
    # 18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people
    # 19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people
    # 20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people
    # 21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people
    # 22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people
    # 23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people
    # 24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people
    # 25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people
    # 26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
    # 27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
    # 28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
    # 29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people
    # 30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people
    # 31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people
    # 32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
    Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people

    below is the total murder rates and UK is still far below US. Compiled by the UN

    Showing latest available data.
    Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
    # 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
    # 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
    # 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
    # 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
    # 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
    # 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
    # 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
    # 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
    # 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
    # 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
    # 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
    # 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
    # 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
    # 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
    # 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
    # 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
    # 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
    # 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
    # 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
    # 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
    # 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
    # 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
    # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
    # 25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
    # 26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
    # 27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
    # 28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
    # 29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
    # 30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
    # 31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
    # 32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
    # 33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
    # 34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
    # 35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
    # 36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
    # 37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
    # 38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
    # 39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
    # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
    # 41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
    # 42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
    # 43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
    # 44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
    # 45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
    # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people

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  6. John

    The rates of lawful gun discharges in self-defense is only speculation, however most estimates place it at least in the millions. The problem is that the statistics are not clear on this, but I believe that even if you take the lowest estimate number, it still shows that guns are worth having. Part of the issue is that people on both sides of the debate distort the issue in their favor.

    Simply put, I see guns as bringing people onto a level playing field. I was reading just the other day about a 70-something year old grandmother who was the victim of burglars. They were busting into her house when she shot at them with her .22 revolver. I don’t believe either of them were fatally wounded, but they were scared off and bolted. If she didn’t have a gun, how would she fight back against these guys? Guns allow people to defend themselves against those who are stronger, more powerful, or bring many people.

    One consideration we need to take into account is the geography. The UK is isolated by water, while the US has a large northern and southern border. It’s MUCH easier to smuggle illegal guns into the US than the UK. The US/Mexico border is so long and difficult to police that illegal immigrants, often smuggling drugs and guns, can pass through undetected in some spots. This makes a distinctly different situation in the US than the UK, particularly, that illegal guns are far easier to get. A US gun ban would do nothing to halt the stop of guns because they’re flowing so freely and cheaply from Mexico. In my eyes, lawful gun ownership is required in the US because of the situation at hand. It might be different in the UK.

    Guns, like everything else in life, have a positive side and a negative side. I’m not going to pretend that nobody uses guns to murder other people. People have been looking for better ways to kill each other since the dawn of time. However, I believe that the US situation is such that a gun ban would not help stop gun violence, and would only prevent citizens from lawfully defending themselves.

  7. John

    Oh! I forgot something.

    http://washingtonceasefire.org/resource-center/national-firearm-injury-and-death-statistics

    The #1 state for the lowest gun violence rates in the United States is a “shall issue” permit state. (As in, the government will issue the permit as long as the applicant does not have any serious disqualifications.)

    6 out of the 10 states with the lowest gun violence also have the least strict gun standard (shall issue.)

    In fact, New Hampshire (The #7 lowest-gun-rate state) allows citizens to carry weapons in public openly.

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